mantis9_smallI have started building my little Mantis CNC Router / PCB Engraver. If you’re not aware what the Mantis is, you can checkout David Carr‘s (the designer of the Mantis) blog/wiki at http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1 . It’s a little CNC router (footprint is 10″ x 10″) purpose built with a custom, low cost yet highly accurate and tightly built spindle specifically for engraving PC boards but it can be used for most any kind of light engraving or carving – the designer actually carved his face in chocolate in 3D relief! 8) I am hoping to use the finished Mantis to carve PCBs for electronics hacks and maybe even for electronics kits available for sale here.  I will continue to post my progress to the blog and let anyone interested in building this neat little machine some of the issues and gotcha’s I come across. So lets get everyone up to date here:

David Carr was nice enough to provide the DXF file of the machine’s wood parts and a bill of materials (BOM) in .xls format FREE for anyone interested in building the machine themselves which is great and I thank him for it! However, one of the first gotcha’s I ran into was that while he designed the machine to be simple and to allow anyone to make it with basic hand/shop tools – he doesn’t provide any dimensioned drawings at all. In fact, the DXF is designed to allow him to cut the machine out using a CNC router like a Shop-Bot which I think can be seen in the background of one of his instruction videos. His intent, I think, in providing the files and the instructional videos, was that they were to go along with a kit given by him or purchased from him – probably to FabLabs – so they wouldn’t need to cut the wood themselves.  If one starts to dimension the DXF drawings, you find that he also included some graphical representations of parts from other sub-assemblies to show fit, etc… which makes it confusing to look at but the most glaring issue of all is the fact that many of the dimensions, particularly of holes are oddball sizes which makes it a little more difficult to work with at home. David relies a lot on very slightly undersized holes so things can be force fit snug into place whereas someone building this in a home shop without the benefit of a CNC router, like me, has to use slightly larger drills potentially leading to some added slop. This is very evident when I had to drill 3/8″ holes for the steel rods. When you watch his instructional video, when he inserts his rods, he has to bang them in with a mallet whereas mine went right through nice and smooth making it harder to keep them in place while arranging them for gluing.

I have actually taken the time to dimension his DXF drawings so if anyone is interested in getting these, please let me know.

Mantis Build Parts
This is a picture of nearly all the parts and hardware required to build a mantis.

Another gotcha I ran into is that his bill of materials is incomplete. He mentions most of the major components but some of his part #’s are now obsolete/unavailable (not a big deal since they all had readily available substitutes) but things like his stepper motor driver boards and power supply are completely absent from the BOM. That’s probably due to the fact that he milled his own so, again  not a huge deal. He did miss the little metal pins that hold up the spindle motor altogether. He doesn’t have the Loctite listed on the BOM either – it tends to be quite expensive so that is bothersome. He mentions ABEC3 R4ZZ bearings but doesn’t list a source. Nit picky things to be sure but the reason I mention it is that the $84 he lists for the cost of the machine doesn’t give someone trying to build this from scratch, in their home shop a good idea of what it will take and most importantly COST to make a Mantis. To that end, I have created my own BOM that includes all of the parts I had to purchase, their sources, their proper current part #’s, and their current prices.

You may download my Mantis 9.1 BOM (.xls) here: Download

You can download the Track Hacker Mantis DXF file here: Download

This DXF is fully dimensioned, although, since it was based on David Carr’s Mantis 9.1 design which was intended for fabrication on a ShopBot CNC router, you will have round some of the dimensions up or down to suite, which I had to do. The other major improvement on this DXF file over the original is that the original contained profile views of all the mechanical parts as well (i.e. the spindle, motors, rods, etc…) which made the original DXF file quite confusing. Hopefully you find this file useful.

Mantis is moving along
Here is a picture of my Mantis with the base, back, and front and the Y axis rods and bearings installed

That should give you a good idea what this machine costs to build assuming you have nothing on hand but your tools – mine has come in at $359.82 for all parts and hardware including the wood, glue, and Loctite.

One last little thing I found so far and this one is on me – I got my NEMA17 stepper motors from a seller on eBay. They had the same part #’s as the ones spec’d by David, they looked like the same motors and they are, for the most part. However these are probably slightly older models that are now in surplus because I found out the hard way that the 4-40 screws David uses to attach his steppers to his machine don’t fit my motors. I then pulled the Lin Engineering‘s (manufacturer of the motors) datasheet on this part # and found that they are spec’d as M3 0.5 pitch screws well that turned out to be wrong t0o – that’s too big. I finally just decided to take out one of the screws holding the stepper together hoping it was the same size as the mounting screws – it was. I then measured this with a caliper under a magnifying glass and finally determined the correct size mounting screws are M2.5 0.45 pitch screws. Whew!

I also decided to deviate a bit from David’s instructions regarding the leadscrew drive nuts. David doesn’t spec anything for his drive nuts since he demonstrates that he makes these from scratch using a 3/8″-12 Acme tap. The average home builder is not going to have this type of tap so I thought it worthwhile to mention that you can take a little extra threaded rod and using a Dremel or similar rotary tool, carve a somewhat deep groove at one end leaving two sharp cutting edges and use this as an improvised tap. That will work with some effort. Well I decided that was to big a pain in the butt so I decided to by some premade flanged leadscrew drive nuts. As it turns out, the flanges on the nuts I got are a little big but overall the nuts are workable. However, that being said, the flanges do make it impossible to follow Davids “glue it to the bottom of the table” instructions so I had to come up with another idea. I decided to attach another small piece of 1/2″ plywood below the table and then bore a hole right down the part line between that piece of ply and the table dead center on the leading edge of the table. This allows me to mount the nut on the side using either screws, glue, or both. Check out my pictures to get an idea what I am talking about. This, however opens up another problem where I now have to relocate the stepper motor to account for the change in position. If you do move the nut like I did, make sure you don’t predrill the NEMA17 motor mount holes without first relocating them.

Mantis Y axis table
This is the Y axis table with the additional piece of 1/2″ ply I added to capture the drive nut – this is before boring


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Mantis Y axis table bore hole
This is the hole bored in the Y axis table to capture the leadscrew drive nut


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Mantis Y Axis Drive Nut
This is the Y axis table with the drive nut in place


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Mantis attaching Y axis table
This is me gluing the rods and bearings onto the Y axis table


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I also decided not to glue my Y axis rods into place – I used a screw and a washer to hold them in place, at least on one side. I may change my mind yet but this was quickest and easiset for me to do. We’ll see.

Mantis Screw Holding Y axis Rods
Here is a closeup of the Y axis rod holding screw setup


Well, that’s it for now – I’ll tell you all about what happened when I drilled the “relocated” stepper mounting hole for my Y axis table and how my Z axis assembly is coming out in the next installment. I am thinking about selling the pre-cut, pre-drilled wood parts for building the Mantis as a kit – let me know if you’re interested.

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  19 Responses to “CNC Router: Mantis Build 1”

  1. How about some more pics?

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    Craig Bickford Reply:

    Hey Jon, thanks for posting! I do have a bunch of pics to post including the test video of the stepper driver board provided by the eBay seller I got it from (I highly recommend anyone looking at picking one of these popular Chinese driver boards, get it from seller ID carolbrent on eBay. Click here to checkout his eBay store)

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  2. I’m working on a mantis build following your method. Can you post the dimensioned DXF file?

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    Craig Bickford Reply:

    Sorry to take so long to respond – been busy, with the Mantis among other things. I will post the DXF file today or tomorrow. I have finished building the mantis and have a lot of information and “gotchas” to tell everyone about so will be adding an update at the same time. Awesome to see you are putting together a Mantis as well, keep checking back often over the next day or two for the updates and DXF file!

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    Keith P Reply:

    Great work, and thanks for a fine resource for building the Mantis.

    Only I have a problem – am I missing something or does the DXF file link just refer to this same page? Is the link messed up or am I?

    Thanks for any help…

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    Craig Bickford Reply:

    @Keith P, When you click on the download links above, a little popup window should appear with a button to click to download the file. If you have popups blocked, it wouldn’t work and would just link back to this page. The reason for that is I have to use a plugin for WordPress to protect the file location for TrackHacker downloads to prevent people from linking directly to them (leeching) and so I can track how many people have downloaded each file etc… Sorry for the inconvenience. Let me know if you are still having trouble downloading the DXF and I will email it to you. Thanks for checking us out! :)

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    KeithP Reply:

    Okay, got it. The popup was key. Turning off all my filters (and yet still requiring a reboot) got me your files. Many thanks from me, and for the community of makers/hackers.

  3. Hey, Craig, How about an update? I hear you now have your Mantis together. did you discover any new gotchas that other builders may want to know about?

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  4. I, for one, am very interested in buying a kit version of the Mantis 9.1. I just wish David Carr would sell one himself so he can get the financial credit as well, but hey, you selling a kit is what open source is about as much as anything else.

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    Craig Bickford Reply:

    Well, I appreciate that! :) I am definitely looking at cutting out wood kits for the Mantis on my larger CNC router and selling those at a reasonable price. I also want to make David’s stepper driver boards on the Mantis and selling those. You need driver boards to make the Mantis but you can engrave the driver boards until you HAVE a Mantis. You can do what I did and get another driver but that can be wayyy more expensive. If I get enough interest in Mantis kits then maybe I’ll put everything together, hardware too. 1st thing I’m doing with my Mantis though is to make a Fabio Arduino clone to run something model railroad like a crossing guard setup. Thanks for checking the blog out!

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  5. Optimally, I’d like a kit that has all the parts and just needs me to supply tools and consumables (up to and including soldering.) If the weight of sourcable parts is significant enough to add to the shipping cost then it could be worth it for all parties for the kit to omit the stocked product from McMaster-Carr/DigiKey/Jameco, etc., but I imagine the wood weight and size dwarfs the electronics — though having the stepper board included (even if it lacks the components soldered — like I said, I can do that) would be a real boon. Then again, it may be cost effective (and make you profit enough to offset time costs) if you bought larger quantities for some of the parts, group-buy style.

    I have a fair amount of skill in assembly and a fair set of tools but since I don’t have a large enough workspace to run a table saw, never mind a CNC router, it makes it hard for me to build the really awesome stuff.

    As far as PCBs go, I’ve never ventured into etching and was hoping for a PCB mill so that I never have to! It’d be doubly-cool if you sold a kit with PCBs milled using the Mantis itself — it could be a mommy!

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    Craig Bickford Reply:

    I did purchase most of the assembly hardware in quantities that would allow me to include the parts in a kit. I would definitely supply the stepper driver boards in the kit as well. I will look into the costs for the stepper driver parts and will consider supplying them as well. I do not want to populate the driver PCB since that would also require me to test the driver board prior to shipment and then provide technical support for them down the road. So at this point, I’m fairly certain I will be providing the wood, driver PCB’s, and assembly hardware in a kit with the potential to also include the driver board components.

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    It is probably just me, but I can’t get the DXF file to load into a DXF file viewer, I’v tried several progams but they all report an error and refuse to load it.

    Does anyone have any ideas I could try?

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  7. Hello and thanks for your blog-

    I am also building a M9.1 from scratch and I am wondering what you did to attach the leadscrews to the steppers. Dave’s site shows the ends of the leadscrews bored out to accept the 5mm shafts of the steppers, but that would seem to require a lathe. Not a big deal if you’re using a kit, but…

    How did you attach yours?

    JSC

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